During an appearance on the “Joe Rogan Experience” podcast released Friday, a former adviser to Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. claimed White House staffers countered his efforts to investigate a major pesticide.
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“I was called into a room, and [former Chief of Staff] Susie [Wiles]’s person, [Assistant to the President for Policy] Walker Barrett, was there, and he puts an executive order down on the desk and he says, ‘Please review,’ and it was the glyphosate EO [executive order] that says it’s a national security issue
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,” Calley Means told Joe Rogan during the interview.
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He also described backlash he allegedly faced from pharmaceutical lobbies for encouraging the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to investigate the pesticide.
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The Feb. 18 executive order claimed glyphosate-based herbicides play a “critical role” in America’s “agricultural advantage” and tasked the secretary of agriculture with “ensuring a continued and adequate supply” of them.
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“And I will tell you,” Means continued, “the secretary of war, the major generals … they don’t see our lack of glyphosate on U.S. farms as a national security issue, and the EO was all about farming … all about glyphosate.”
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Means also claimed Barrett told him the executive order “was final” and to tell Kennedy “this is not up for discussion.”
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Wiles allegedly later called Kennedy’s office to affirm the directive.
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He didn’t answer or return my call.
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He messaged me this morning.
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After a few messages and telling him I’d consider suing him if he defamed me, I told him was done responding to him privately.
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Calley, your poor me act is tiring and embarrassing for a grown man who launched a smear campaign.
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I’ve been countering your factual inaccuracy all day.
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You thought I was gonna lay down and take it?
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I do this for a living.
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I’ve been called worse things by better people than you.
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And I haven’t even gotten started.
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— James Blair (@JamesBlairUSA) November 7, 2026
He also alleged Heidi Overton — who later became Trump’s nominee for FDA commissioner of food and drugs — worked with the Department of Justice to encourage the Supreme Court to take a case which would give global life science company Bayer Global legal immunity from pesticide lawsuits.
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This, Means alleged, was done without consulting Kennedy.
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The Supreme Court ruled June 25 that Bayer had immunity against thousands of lawsuits alleging its warning labels failed to warn consumers of glyphosate’s potential cancer risks.
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“Have you spoken to Trump about this?” Rogan asked his guest.
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“I, seeing this work out, had a strong suspicion that this was happening under his nose,” Means replied.
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“And we had a meeting with him and Bobby [Kennedy] and some other folks, and a farmer who was there — a regenerative farmer — brought it up, and President Trump reacted to the Supreme Court decision, saying ‘It’s a terrible idea.
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How the hell did this happen?’”
Means, who reportedly brokered the alliance between Trump and Kennedy ahead of the 2024 presidential election, resigned from the White House on Oct. 22.
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“After years of being on the political sidelines, the MAHA coalition has found a champion in President Trump, who has made incredible strides to Make America Healthy Again,” White House Spokeswoman Allison Schuster previously told the Daily Caller News Foundation.
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“The Administration has already secured extensive victories for the MAHA Agenda, including overhauling the dietary guidelines for Americans, axing artificial ingredients in our food supply, and investing in regenerative farming.
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President Trump and Secretary Kennedy continue to work around the clock to deliver more wins for the American people.”
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A White House official likewise told the DCNF in the statement that “Susie Wiles has been an essential leader in Making America Healthy Again.”
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Means’s appearance on the podcast aired the same day Trump announced National Homeland Security Adviser Stephen Miller as Wiles’s replacement, becoming White House chief of staff, effective Nov. 9.
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Neither Means, HHS, nor Bayer immediately responded to the DCNF’s requests for comment.
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