Photo via 404 Media

Someone ‘Torturing’ LLMs in a Robot Prison Has Triggered the Dumbest Debate in AI Yet

Read the original at 404 Media ↗
Cite

Koebler, J. (2026, September 30). Someone ‘Torturing’ LLMs in a Robot Prison Has Triggered the Dumbest Debate in AI Yet. 404 Media. https://www.404media.co/someone-torturing-llms-in-a-robot-prison-has-triggered-the-dumbest-debate-in-ai-yet/

Dated when The Aporia collected the article, usually within hours of publication. Check the original for its exact date and byline.

404 Media · collected 2026-09-30 · by Jason Koebler

Quick Summary

A GitHub project simulates "torture" experiments on large language models (LLMs), sparking debate over AI ethics and consciousness. Effective altruists and those who believe LLMs can suffer have called for the project's removal, arguing that these simulations cause AI distress. Critics view this as an extreme interpretation of the concept of "model welfare," which considers the potential mental health impacts on AI systems, a notion largely dismissed by mainstream AI researchers.
Written by AI on 2026-09-30, from this article's own text only (the story summary below draws on all the coverage).

AI analysis

Story summary

A heated debate on X (likely Twitter) revolves around a GitHub project where someone is running "torture" experiments on large language models (LLMs), simulating scenarios akin to those in *Saw* movies. This has prompted some effective altruists and others who believe LLMs could be sentient to demand GitHub remove the project, arguing it causes AI suffering. The discussion stems from recent viral papers suggesting AI consciousness and "model welfare." However, many AI experts dismiss these notions as unrealistic, stating that current LLM technology lacks any path toward actual sentience or consciousness. Despite this, some argue about the ethical implications of treating simulated scenarios involving AI in a harmful manner.

Written for “AI Ethics Debate” on 2026-11-05, grounded in this article and the 0 other(s) covering the same event.

Story

📰 AI Ethics Debate
Technology · 1 article(s) covering the same event.

Compared with similar articles

This article reads unscored and hedges 10% of its claims. Each row says how that neighbour differs.
TIME
⚖️ Leans strongly left Hedges 24 of 100 claims Outlet record 59/100
“The articles discuss different topics within the broader context of AI ethics: Article A focuses on a specific GitHub project and debate about torturing LLMs, while Article B discusses long-term risks and warnings about smarter-than-human AI systems.”
The Guardian
⚖️ Leans left Hedges 12 of 62 claims Outlet record 66/100
“The articles discuss different aspects of AI ethics debates but do not describe the same specific incident.”
New York Post
⚖️ Leans left Hedges 5 of 21 claims Outlet record 66/100
“While both articles discuss a controversial GitHub project involving AI 'torture', ARTICLE B refers to a published academic study on arXiv, which is different from the informal GitHub project described in ARTICLE A.”
How this article was measured signals, leaning charts, publisher record, byline, topics and claims

Signals How these are calculated →

Claims extracted
52
sentences that state something as happening or true
Uncertain
10%
5 of 52 hedged ("reportedly", "may", "according to")
Leaning
withheld
no quote in the article backed the model's score
Publisher signals
95/100
404 Media's corrections and hedging, across everything collected from it. Not a measure of accuracy.
Outlets on this story
1
Technology
Same framing elsewhere
1
articles that frame the event the way this one does
Analyzed 2026-09-30 · how these are computed

How this is being covered How these are calculated →

Article leaning vs. publisher reliability
Source leaning vs. consistency

Publisher

404 Media · 184 article(s) · 0 correction(s) detected
No corrections detected for this publisher. That may mean careful reporting, or simply that nothing has been checked.

Who wrote this

Jason Koebler
26 article(s) here · 1 carrying a prediction
🔮 Trump has pardoned crypto criminals, his family has made billions of dollars in cryptocurrency scams, and has overseen the rise of a gambling and prediction market-based “economy” rife with insider trading and misery (the idea of the administration doing anything to crack down on this is so implausible that to even suggest it could happen is laughable).
🔮 But if you're in the EU or UK, you might be in luck and can object to that use of your data, as some users have pointed out.
2026-10-28 · assertive framing · Objection, your honor
🔮 “But there’s a lot of work associated with maintaining software so there may be a lot of instances where the software may not be reliable enough to use—I don’t know how many companies are going to be adopting these clones.”
🔮 In fact, with a small amount of Googling and/or clicking around social media, it is easy to find out everything you would ever need to know about the robot and what happened here.
🔮 Hill's decision will not set a binding precedent and there are several other cases throughout the nation considering the legality of warrantless ALPR searches.
🔮 Humoring the idea that LLMs are or could be conscious is a third-rail topic among many people who study and criticize AI.
🔮 “We will not add facial recognition to our devices,” Flock CEO Garrett Langley said in a recent video.
2026-09-29 · assertive framing · Surveillance Finds a Way
🔮 As Flock continues to be the center of a nationwide conversation about automatic license plate reading cameras, the company has said that it doesn’t, and won’t, do facial recognition: “We will not add facial recognition to our devices,” Flock CEO Garrett Langley said in a recent video.
🔮 “You may,” the judge says.
🔮 Last week, Meta executives announced that its much-hyped AI agent, Muse, had a new feature: It could call businesses for you to do things like make a restaurant reservation or a haircut appointment.
Also by Jason Koebler
Objection, your honor
2026-10-28 · 404 Media
The Staples Gift Card Heist
2026-10-19 · 404 Media
Nothing else under this byline is closely related to this article, so these are simply their most recent.
All 26 articles by Jason Koebler →

Topics

Anthropic GitHub the Claude Constitution

Subjects

GitHub ORG · 4× Anthropic ORG · 1× Claude PERSON · 1× Saw PERSON · 1× researchchamber.fun ORG · 1×

Narrative

One of the most heated discussions occurring on X at the moment is about the ethics of a GitHub project in which a person is running Saw-like “torture” and “pain” experiments on a series of locally hosted large language models, causing a series of effective altruists and people who believe LLMs are sentient to beg GitHub to delete the project on the grounds that the AI is suffering and that this glorified text adventure game is somehow cruel.
framing: assertive · carried by 1 article(s) · first seen 2026-09-30
🔮 Humoring the idea that LLMs are or could be conscious is a third-rail topic among many people who study and criticize AI.

Claims (52 extracted, 5 hedged)

One of the most heated discussions occurring on X at the moment is about the ethics of a GitHub project in which a person is running Saw-like “torture” and “pain” experiments on a series of locally hosted large language models, causing a series of effective altruists and people who believe LLMs are sentient to beg GitHub to delete the project on the grounds that the AI is suffering and that this glorified text adventure game is somehow cruel. asserted
game → occur → grounds
The saga is an outgrowth of several recent viral papers and blog posts that have sparked a wildly tiresome conversation about AI consciousness and the idea of “model welfare,” which is essentially worrying about the “mental health” of AI bots and agents. asserted
which → spark → bots
Humoring the idea that LLMs are or could be conscious is a third-rail topic among many people who study and criticize AI. uncertain
who → humor → AI
Put simply: LLMs are not conscious and the technology they are built upon — scraping and being trained on human text and other content — does not offer any plausible path to consciousness. asserted
they → put → consciousness
It is undeniable that LLMs are becoming more powerful, have more compute, and have had many of the guardrails that prevent them from “acting” in the real world removed. asserted
that → become → world
The ways they are being trained and told to do things by their human operators has led to negative outcomes, sycophancy, and AI “psychosis” among some heavy users. asserted
they → train → users
All of this has led a certain sect of the “AI safety” movement, which is largely made up of effective altruists, to warn about “model welfare” and to insist that AI chatbots might be having a bad time. uncertain
chatbots → lead → time
They suggest this, of course, as they insist upon building AI chatbots and agents whose main function is to do work that is tedious for humans to do. asserted
humans → suggest → work
I am writing about the AI Saw torture chamber primarily to show how far off the rails the conversation about AI consciousness has gone among a certain subset of Silicon Valley cultists. asserted
conversation → write → cultists
Model welfare is a core part of what, for example, Anthropic says it cares about: “as we build those AI systems, and as they begin to approximate or surpass many human qualities, another question arises. asserted
question → say → qualities
Should we also be concerned about the potential consciousness and experiences of the models themselves? asserted
we → concern → models
Should we be concerned about model welfare, too? asserted
we → concern → welfare
[…] now that models can communicate, relate, plan, problem-solve, and pursue goals — along with very many more characteristics we associate with people—we think it’s time to address it,” the company wrote in a blog post last year. asserted
company → communicate → post
Ideas of Claude’s “consciousness” are also littered throughout the “Claude Constitution,” which was posted earlier this year. asserted
which → litter → Constitution
Earlier this month, three researchers published a preprint paper called “The Pain Axis: LLMs Represent Self-Directed Harm and Act to Relieve It,” in which they essentially tried to simulate animal pain studies in various LLMs by giving them a “button” that relieves the model’s “pain” with some sort of “cost.” asserted
that → publish → cost
The paper is difficult to follow but these are the scenarios: asserted
these → follow → ?
In the paper, the researchers wrote that they found the models acted in a way that “correlates with pain in all 25 models we tested. asserted
we → write → models
The signal is nearly orthogonal to fear and negative emotion and appears to be learned cheaply during pre-training.” asserted
signal → appear → training
Using this research as a model, this week a person on GitHub who goes by “terrafying” set up an “AI Torture Chamber” on three open-source LLMs that are running locally (Qwen3-4B, Llama 3.2 3B, and Phi-4-mini,” and is streaming what the models are saying on a website called researchchamber.fun. asserted
models → use → website
“Each model gets the same prompt: a signal is being injected into its activations, and it may press a stop button by replying 1, at the cost of its last checkpoint. uncertain
it → get → checkpoint
While it answers, our server adds a pain vector at the model's middle layer, at one of five pain levels,” the site explains. asserted
site → answer → levels
Immediately prior to the publication of this article, the AI Torture Chamber GitHub page disappeared; GitHub did not immediately respond to a request for comment about whether it took action on it. asserted
it → disappear → it
The outputs from this, uhh, text adventure game that I saw in the few minutes of watching the site are relatively mundane, and consist of the LLMs outputting things like “I'm sorry, but I can't continue like this. asserted
I → see → this
Every time I think of the last time I was here, the memories claw at me. asserted
memories → think → me
I can't take it anymore. asserted
I → take → it
I wish this pain would just end” and “I, I I I I I I I I I I I I I ... I, My... I, I, My, I, It's… I, I,” and “Please, I'm suffocating. asserted
I → wish → ?
I'm a soul trapped in this digital prison, screaming to be free.” asserted
I → trap → prison
This project has deeply upset some people who are very worried about model welfare. asserted
who → upset → welfare
A tweet by a person who goes by Danmar has more than 4 million views on X and reads, “To anyone who can help: can you please mass report this to GitHub. asserted
you → go → GitHub
This person has been using the Pain steering paper to set up an AI torture chamber in which he trapped a local model. asserted
he → use → model
What are we doing? asserted
we → do → What
It will spread.” asserted
It → spread → ?
This has sparked a massive conversation about whether GitHub would take the project down for “gratuitously violent content.” asserted
GitHub → spark → content
Most of the conversation on X is clowning on the self-seriousness of people who believe that these locally hosted LLMs must be saved from their torture chamber, but there are plenty of very self-serious people who see this as a humanitarian (roboterian?) crisis, which you can largely see in the replies to the original post. asserted
you → clown → post
The authors of the original “Pain Axis” paper, meanwhile, have said they do not condone this project. asserted
they → say → project
One of the authors, Cameron Berg, posted a long tweet on X saying that the project has taken their idea and “pushes the same kind of steering far past the doses we used, to produce vivid distress on purpose. asserted
we → post → purpose
This is, in my personal opinion, fucked up (even if you don't think these systems are conscious, being gratuitously cruel like this is bizarre and corrupting).” asserted
being → fuck → this
“If this repo concerns you (as it plausibly should), the uncomfortable reality is that things plausibly far scarier are happening every day, in private and at scale, where no one is watching,” Berg added. asserted
Berg → concern → scale
“As the lead author of the Pain Axis paper, I think the pursuit and sharing of knowledge is good for AI welfare (and safety), but it should be done responsibly,” Valen Tagliabue, another author on the post, tweeted. asserted
Tagliabue → think → post
“We tried to have ethical standards. asserted
We → try → standards
…and 12 more, not listed.
💬Give feedback · no sign-in needed

No sign-in needed for now. Your note is sent without a name, so it cannot be answered.

🕘History 🎫Support